The figures looked about like what I've seen elsewhere. It basically showed how small our casualty figures for this war are compared to all the other conflicts we've been in. It claimed that the recent spike in yearly casualties from this war don't amount to much of a real annual increase in casualties, looking at figures from about 1980 to 2003. Those figures show not much of an increase in overall casualties suffered in each year. Bottom line of the email was that we should be concentrating on winning the war rather than how many American lives are being lost in the process, but that the media coverage of the war keeps us from being able to do that.
That's a refrain one hears a lot among supporters of the war, blaming the way the main stream media covers wars for destroying public support for this conflict and the sacrifice necessary to win it. Same refrain we heard in Vietnam. Mushy forwarded this to me, thinking' it might spark something in my mind, and maybe turn into a post, and it has. Hell, I'm always sendin' him nasty shit to fuel his Silverbacks appetite, not to mention keepin' his heart rate up on occasion. I appreciate him returnin' the favor.
I was thinkin' about my buddy Mushy yesterday afternoon in class. Took one of my history classes through the Vietnam war (Mushy's a vet), from the early French years, and the Eisenhower and Kennedy periods, up to '68 and the Tet offensive. It sparked a brief discussion in class, a class sprinkled with soldiers who have all been in Iraq and will probably have to go back soon. We talked briefly about the similarities and differences between the two conflicts. I took my other class, which some of these same soldiers are taking, from Sherman's March in late 1864 to the beginning of Reconstruction in 1866, telling them about the 617,458 or so killed in that war, including about 40 to 50% of the Souths adult male population being killed or wounded. It always amazes them to hear those figures. Casualties like those seem so otherworldly to us now, but they helped shape the country we all grew up in in the 20th century. The thing to realize about this current conflict is, a hell of a lot of guys and gals that would have died in other wars from their wounds don't die in
We used to see a lot of people dying from horrible wounds in other conflicts, as well as disease. But now people are flown right to a hospital and get first rate medical attention, and they don't die from those conventional wounds as often. Deaths from disease hardly factor in anymore. Only about 204,000 soldiers died in battle in the Civil War. The rest of the 617, 458 died from disease. The soldiers who are wounded in this war live on and recover, sometimes with horrible bodily injury and brain damage from an IED, but they don't die. Many fewer are dying from getting shot or wounded by shrapnel, but many people do die from being blown up and suffering fatal internal trauma that their body armor can't protect them from.
The number of wounded in this current war so far is something like 30,ooo to 35,ooo, but the number of our killed is only around 3700, after four years of escalating conflict. I tell my students in my history classes that those figures are amazingly small compared to any war we've ever been in (
In WW2 it was a given that the cost was worth it. In
Thinking about the issue, one realizes the reason why the press was heavily censored in WW2. The press has the power to mold peoples attitudes about the things they see and hear. There is an old adage that says the press can't really tell people what to think, but it does tell people what to think about; slowly molding peoples perceptions by showing them one story after another that creates a picture. Peoples attitudes can, over time, be molded by what they are shown and left thinking about. An image tells a thousand words, right?
So the fact that the press, by it's nature, tends to dramatize the negative and gloss over the positive, will have a huge impact on the publics perception of this or any conflict. Seeing nothing but body bags, or the left over damage from a suicide bomber, says nothing about whether the war should or shouldn't be fought, any more that seeing the bodies of dead American marines floating in the surf at Guadalcanal said that we shouldn't be fighting the Japanese in WW2.
The public was given the reasons for fighting WW2 by a press that was acting like a cheer leader for the FDR administration. Now, since the Vietnam days, the press has taken on this adversarial role, and thinks it has to stay neutral to do it's job. Many proponents of the war see that neutrality as treason. Others point out that the propensity of the media to concentrate on the violence (If it bleeds, it leads), prevents positive stories from being told. Well, that's all true, but again, it's not the medias job to keep the public in a positive mood about the war.
Maybe if we had another nation attack us, and not a bunch of crazy, nationless rag heads, people would be able to get their mind around the need for bloodshed, as they did immediately after 9-11 when we went into Afghanistan. Maybe then the public would be willing to do the hard things to win, but I doubt it. I think we're too spoiled now and don't want to pay any real price to win. Helps explain why we can't seem to fix any of the real problems we have as a nation. Our political process has evolved into one in which everyone expects to get something for nothing, and different groups are pitted against one another rather than brought together.
Anyway, this is drifting into something else, and I'll save that for later. Going back to work. Have to finish rehashin' these wars and stuff so I can get this semester finished and jet out of here. Road trip drama is approaching. More on that later too. Cheers.
Wednesday, July 18, 2007
My buddy Mushy sent me a thing about our war casualties the other day that got me thinkin'.
Posted by FHB at 10:33 AM
Labels: casualties of war, the msm, wednesday rant
13 comments:
Proud of you dude...I knew you'd turn this into one of your history inspired pieces that puts it all into prespective.
It's a special gift that you have and that more people ought to read. You could do type thing from the news and world events daily IF you had the time. To me it's not a slant on things either, it is the truth based on where we've been and should show us clearly where we're going.
Thanks.
Blimey FHB, a bit of a brainy bastard, aren't you? I agree with Mushy, you have a gift when it comes to laying out history - you give it staight, without a slant, and you even make it INTERESTING. Wish I had had a teacher like you..
FHB: YOU are so right. WE, in Canada Have lost 66 In Afghanistan and the bloody NDP wants us to pull all our troops immedistely. Jack Layton(NDP leader) wants to be a new Neville Chamberlin I think and you know where that got us
About the best summary of the situations, both past and present, that I've seen to date! You hit it right on the head, about the media---"if it bleeds, it leads"! Perfectly said! And obviously, well-researched, as well!
KUDO'S, DUDE!!!
Damn, thanks guys, I really appreciate that. You know I do this for you guys. love all of ya. Some of the best friends I've ever had.
Thanks for an excellent post, as always, FHB!
Yes, our country is full of whiny titty-babies, and (excepting assholes like Sheehan) those titty-babies are generally NOT those who are directly affected by the war.
It is a very sad state of affairs.
G'day FHB
Would have been a spirited discussion in that classroom. A lot of involved perspective.
When does the semester end?
Keep smiling
David
Great post. People today really do lack perspective when it comes to wars. Not every war can be like Kosovo, where we don't lose anyone. I think you're right about the current leadership not articulating why we're there too well, but I can think of a pile of reasons why we need to stick this out. What pisses me off about the MSM is their desire to influence events rather than just report them, and their influence has a very decidedly leftward slant.
I'm struck (nearly literally) by the point, the press can't really tell people what to think, but it does tell people what to think about, which should maybe include the corollary, and HOW -- as I hear the constant drumbeat of negativity from the Press. IMO the easy and cheap sensationalism of, "if it bleeds, it leads" is a Media cop-out and one which their own lofty superiority and and better natures should automatically address - so don't blame US for Paris Hilton and other garbage that's churned out onto the airwaves every evening, they can't have it both ways.
When they heavily lean their report on one side that suits them - like the bogus Haditha "massacre," and then fail very much to respond equally when it's discovered to be a fabrication - that's bias. When they call terrorists "insurgents" and criticize the low-hanging fruit of military mistakes like body armor or other preparedness lacking - that's bias.
Maybe the problem is that since we were not attacked by an actual nation and Al Quaeda operates like a typical NGO, an organizational structure with which the Press is unendingly favorable, it's hard for them to find fault - even with whatever "cause" made them do such a nasty thing as knock down some buildings with airliners.
And since the Press finds their nakedness conveniently covered by a cloak of neutrality, on a "cause" basis using "neutrality" they can cite anything but religion as a reason for the attacks - so it becomes the convenient bogeyman of "U.S. Foreign Policy." In fact being religiously and academically neutral and atheistic they cannot cite religion as a possible reason, so Islam gets a free-pass. Which probably pisses them off because it's clearly a powerful component and motivator in life that being neutral they typically seek to downplay, and much more critical to the equation than a bumbling series of State Department screw-ups randomly accumulated over the years by Administrations even the Press has favored.
Christina - Yep, chock full of big titty-babies. Guilty. Have some real heros too, and some are in my classes.
David - Next week, and then I jet off to see my cousin in PA and Mushy in TN. Can't wait.
Kevin - Yep, they yare obviously slanted, and maybe if Fred gets off his ass and wins, we'll have a leader who can communicate the message a lot better.
Dirtcrasher - There's no doubt that the reporting is biased, intentionally or not, but that shifts the responsability to the administration to tell it's story more effectively. The bias is towards liberal sentimentality, and a refusal to acknowledge that there is a good side and a bad side. I think Earnie Pyle is rolling in his grave when he sees what passes for war reporting these days. That's why I love Pat Dollards site so much, and listening to the stories my soldier students tell me.
Thanks for the long comment. I think it's my first. Must have hit a nerve.
Fantastic post, Mushy. I think this is among your very best! Brilliantly stated.
Sorry, I got into a rant - considering The New Republic "Shock Troops" story-fabrications that are going on, and the AP's massacre-fabrications evidenced by Michael Yon - and the whole Green Helmet tilt to the Israel/Lebanon war last year.
Most people I know agree that we should be in Afghanistan b/c of 9/11, but many have concerns with the Iraq front b/c they don't see how that was a situation that affected "us." I understand why we're there, but I'm just not confident we were as prepared as we should've been before we went in.
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